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2-Headed Monster: Is Joe Gibbs Racing Better Off With or Without Kyle Busch?

It was a wild week at Daytona International Speedway and as the NASCAR Cup Series playoffs begin this weekend at Darlington Raceway, many eyes are focused on the run for the championship. While the playoffs always provides intrigue, perhaps more captivating is that the biggest question mark for the 2023 Silly Season remains unanswered. That could lead to a major driver leaving an established organization that’s a top-tier contender to earn this year’s title.

Kyle Busch is still not under contract for 2023 and as the days continue to pass, it appears more and more unlikely that he will return to Joe Gibbs Racing for a 16th season.

That has us thinking: Will JGR be better off without Kyle Busch? Anthony Damcott and Amy Henderson debate.

JGR Needs Kyle Busch Badly

As much as JGR recognizes that resigning Kyle Busch should be top of its priority list, it’s possible the team doesn’t realize just how valuable he is to its organization.

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If Toyota and JGR let Busch get away and sign elsewhere, it’s a losing situation for them all around. On the Cup level, it leaves a prestigiously open seat in a race-winning car. And filling that seat is not going to be as easy as people think. First, JGR needs to find someone with sponsorship, enough to sponsor a good majority of a full season.

That alone is hard to do without stealing another active driver from another race team. JGR could go after Tyler Reddick, but that’s only on the assumption Richard Childress is still angry about Reddick’s 23XI Racing announcement and decides to release him a year early. Other free agent drivers with sponsorship don’t have enough to last even half the season.

So the only realistic option JGR has at this juncture is to move someone up. But who? While Ty Gibbs is the obvious choice, Joe Gibbs has made it clear he would like to see his grandson run another full-time Xfinity Series season before moving up. Of course, plans always change, especially with Gibbs getting unexpected seat time at 23XI this season.

That’s pretty much the only option within JGR as Brandon Jones is too inexperienced to take that ride. Moving someone up straight from Busch’s Camping World Truck Series team wouldn’t be smart, not to mention impossible.

The reason it would be impossible leads to the second reason why JGR needs to do anything in their power to keep Busch. If he goes elsewhere, his truck team is going with him. That leaves Toyota with no development team in the Truck Series which, in turn, leaves no one for JGR to fill the No. 18 without pulling someone from another organization or taking a chance on a free agent. Both of these are tough to do, depending on who they would be targeting.

These consequences were talked about in a previous article on Frontstretch in a lot more detail, but it’s still relevant when talking about Busch’s contract situation. JGR and Toyota Racing Development are hopefully doing everything in their power to keep him. Otherwise, it is a complete losing situation for everyone involved (well, except maybe Busch, that is). –Anthony Damcott

The Game Has Changed, and It’s Time to Move On

He’s tied for ninth on the all-time win list and for the top win total among active drivers with 60. Across NASCAR’s three national series, he has an eye-popping 224 career victories. So what doesn’t Busch have?

A ride for next year.

Busch, who has been a virtual sure thing in Joe Gibbs Racing’s lineup since 2008, is on the verge of losing his ride with the team. In his first year with JGR, he showed why Gibbs had such faith in him with eight wins, one more than that year’s champion, Jimmie Johnson. Busch has taken JGR to victory lane at least once every year since.

But after longtime sponsor Mars pulled the plug on its NASCAR program at the end of the current season, JGR has struggled to find sponsorship for Busch. There could be any number of reasons for this problem. Maybe the team won’t accept a figure below a certain number and no suitor (or combination of them) has hit that magic number yet. Maybe Busch himself won’t accept a salary below a certain figure or he doesn’t want to sign a deal that hinges on sponsorship when none has materialized. It could be a combination of these or none of them at all.

Toyota certainly would like to keep Busch in the fold, but whatever the holdup is, Busch may be on the way out at JGR.

And that’s just fine.

Short-term, letting Busch go seems like a colossal mistake. He’s only 37 years old, in the back half of his prime perhaps, but still in it nonetheless. And he may have more raw talent than any driver in Cup right now.

He’s also been a great fit at JGR; the team has taken his volatile personality in stride. Busch was let go from Hendrick Motorsports in favor of Casey Mears because that personality is a big one and didn’t fit in the Hendrick culture. Gibbs embraced it and Busch thrived.

But it’s time to move on.

The team needs to look at the long game now. Busch got them to this point, and deserves accolades for that. He’d like to drive for several more years until he can share a ride with son Brexton in the Truck Series, and he’s certainly not too old for that goal to be outrageous.

Busch’s second and most recent Cup title came just three years ago, on the heels of a five-win 2019 campaign. But it’s hard to ignore that he has just four wins in 2020, 2021 and 2022 combined.

And while lady luck has sometimes dealt a terrible hand, Busch has struggled with the Next Gen car. It’s a scene we’ve seen played out plenty in the past: a great driver evolves with the car to win races and titles … until something changes and he doesn’t.

Busch certainly has more wins in him, but his annual total has dropped off. The next driver he’ll have to pass to move up the all-time list is Dale Earnhardt and his 76 wins. There was a time when Busch might reel off 16 of those victories in three years, maybe four, but now 76 seems like a stretch. He could bounce back, of course, but should JGR take that gamble?

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Of course, a young, untested driver is a gamble, too. But at some point, all drivers age and need a replacement. While Busch may not be there quite yet, JGR (and by default, Toyota) has had to let talented drivers walk away because there was no room. At some point, they’ll pay for that.

Ty Gibbs, Joe Gibbs’ grandson and a driver who has shown a lot of talent, is waiting in the wings. He’s currently filling in at 23XI Racing for Kyle Busch’s injured older brother Kurt Busch.

Ty Gibbs hasn’t set the Cup world on fire. But in six races, he’s been an equal match for Kyle Busch.

Busch has finished ahead of Gibbs three times, with Gibbs on top in the other three. Neither has a win or a top five in that span. Busch has two top 10s and Gibbs has just one, but Gibbs’ average finish is almost three positions better (19.6 to Busch’s 22.2).

Ty Gibbs is also just 19 years old.

If Busch races until he’s 45, Gibbs would still be just 26, with decades ahead of him. Will he come close to Busch’s numbers in those years? Of course, there’s no way to know. He’s a promising prospect, but Busch is a proven champion.

Again, we’re looking at the long game here. Teams in virtually every sport go through a time when superstars move on and the team rebuilds for the future. JGR’s stable is aging at a time when its biggest rivals are trending much younger. That may benefit JGR now, but in a few years, the other teams will have younger veterans with the experience to win, and JGR will either have aging heroes or youngsters behind the curve.

Ty Gibbs would probably benefit from one more year in the Xfinity Series, but there is a certain wisdom in forgoing that to free the Xfinity ride to develop another youngster. Remember, the team is also likely going to need to replace Martin Truex Jr. in a year or two. It would also give the young Gibbs a year under his belt instead of having a pair of rookies and the mistakes that come with them.

In a perfect world, JGR would resign Busch to a one, maybe two-year contract and then bring a slightly older Ty Gibbs into the No. 18. But such a deal either hasn’t materialized or been accepted, and time grows short.

Joe Gibbs is no stranger to playing the long game, and it’s time to play it. Ten years from now, Busch will likely be retired from full-time Cup racing while Ty Gibbs won’t have even reached his prime.

Kyle Busch and Joe Gibbs Racing have a storied past. But it’s time to plan for the future. -Amy Henderson

About the author

Amy is an 20-year veteran NASCAR writer and a six-time National Motorsports Press Association (NMPA) writing award winner, including first place awards for both columns and race coverage. As well as serving as Photo Editor, Amy writes The Big 6 (Mondays) after every NASCAR Cup Series race. She can also be found working on her bi-weekly columns Holding A Pretty Wheel (Tuesdays) and Only Yesterday (Wednesdays). A New Hampshire native whose heart is in North Carolina, Amy’s work credits have extended everywhere from driver Kenny Wallace’s website to Athlon Sports. She can also be heard weekly as a panelist on the Hard Left Turn podcast that can be found on AccessWDUN.com's Around the Track page.

Anthony Damcott joined Frontstretch in March 2022. Currently, he is an editor and co-authors Fire on Fridays (Fridays); he is also the primary Truck Series reporter/writer. A proud West Virginia Wesleyan College alum from Akron, Ohio, Anthony is now a grad student. He is a theatre actor and fight-choreographer-in-training in his free time. 

You can keep up with Anthony by following @AnthonyDamcott on Twitter.

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My observation of JGR over the decades is THE REV can have Our Lord Jesus Christ drive for him, and there would be zero loyalty. Nasty bunch, imo.

Dale EarnHog

If you’d been following the story, Kyle leaving is due to a lack of major sponsorship. Toyota and Joe have said MANY times they want to keep Kyle at JGR and Kyle has echoed the same sentiments.


Yes.. I have been following the story. My above opinion is from watching the Gibbs company for decades. My opinion still stands, regardless of the declarations from all involved that they wanna keep KUBU. I am assuming Kyle will know his future very soon, and so will we. Have a nice evening.

Bill B

RE: “Busch was let go from Hendrick Motorsports in favor of Casey Mears because that personality is a big one and didn’t fit in the Hendrick culture.”

I am pretty sure Kyle Busch was replaced by Dale Earnhardt Jr at HMS and not Casey Mears.


Get those facts outta here! lol


It is not as simple as ‘Jr replaced Kyle’. Hendrick could have resigned Kyle or broken contract with Casey when they signed JR – Rick opted to pass on Kyle (the more talented of the two) in what really came down to lack of fit with the team vs Casey (who only ended up winning one race with Hendrick in 2 years with the team vs Kyle’s 3 in 3 full time seasons).


Correct. Hendrick certainly has the backing to put whoever he wants in any of his cars. However, I think it speaks volumes to Kyle’s personality not fitting with the Hendrick organization when you point out he won only 3 races in 3 years (granted, it was early in his career). But still, this was a championship winning team with Terry Labonte, and almost again with an aging Mark Martin (who won 5 races and finished 2nd for the Championship in 2009 driving the #5 car). We all know how it is running with Larson.

In hindsight, it was best for both Kyle Busch and Hendrick to part, as neither one would have been as successful together as they have been apart.


I had to look it up, but she’s technically right regarding the car #. Kyle drove the #5 car, and Casey Mears ran the #5 for Hendrick in 2008, then Mark Martin drove it in 2009-2011, followed by Kahne until Larson got the ride in 2021.

Dale Jr. took over what was the #25 car in 2008. Casey Mears had driven the #25 in 2007, replacing Brian Vickers who ran in 2003-2006.

It does make more sense to realize the actual business decision was to replace Kyle with Dale Jr. (smart business move), regardless of the car # juggling to make it happen. Casey did not replace Kyle, as he was already a signed driver in the Hendrick organization.

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You are correct


If kurt busch decides to retire due to health reasons kyle can slide right into that ride and everything works out. So to me this is the best situation for all concerned and im sure kurts sponsors will go to kyle

Chris Hagan

I think bringing Kyle Busch back would be good for the organization, however, I don’t feel that Gibbs wants to commit to an aging Kyle Busch. Kyle still has talent and can still win, but at what point does Gibbs start letting his 3 older drivers go? You can get Ty and CBell for next year and surround them with MTJ and DH as great mentors. Kyle will find a ride somewhere, whether it’s with Toyota or Chevy (Ford is out with SHR signing Aric and committing to Cole for some reason..). If 23XI can get a 3rd charter (or Kurt retires), you can have Kyle move over there and be sponsored by Toyota, as Toyota cannot afford to lose their dominance in the truck series w/KBM. It’s obvious to me that Toyota has more to lose than JGR, and I believe JGR is okay with letting Kyle walk away.


This is all fine, except Toyota Racing president David Wilson said a day or two ago, that Toyota has no intention of sponsoring Busch. He explained that he doesn’t see that as Toyota’s roll, which I found interesting since they’ve provided sponsorship for plenty of Toyota drivers in the past? Some drivers they have backed in just the last few years include in Cup Bell, Wallace, E Jones and DiBenedetto, and in Xfinity for Nemechek, Ferrucci and B Jones. He also talked quite a bit about Busch’s personality, leading me to think that maybe Toyota is fed up with Busch’s act, and just maybe wouldn’t be to upset to see him go?


Time for this divorce. Grandson is a star in the making and Kyle has worn out his welcome. He was supposed to be the GOAT but but his attitude and arrogance got in the way. Buh bye.


Stating Kyle was replaced by Mears tells you everything you need to know about Amy Henderson’s journalistic qualifications.


Someone wants me to trust the words of Toyota and Joe lololol. Kyle hasn’t been clicking with his crew chief the last few years. No way is truex or Hamlin a better driver than Kyle imo. I don’t see Kyle going to Hamlin’s team for one year only, remember Reddick is headed there in another year. I still want Jeff or Rick to figure out how to get Kyle in a HMS satellite team somehow. Money talks. If Kyle goes to a Chevy or Ford Kyle just might shut down his truck team out of spite at Toyota. I wonder if his truck team makes money for him. I mean good money, worth the time and effort.


They dont click and we still dont know why his old crew chief left other than a requested change that he didnt like. So I would definitely consider that as another reason to not be bought in.

Woody Wilson

It was Casey Kahn’s, not Casu Mears. Casey Mears was an Indy car driver.


Casey Mears raced 489 Cup races.


Kasey Kahne, maybe? Using the wrong head, Woody!

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